If you've been feeling that pull—that nagging feeling that you're on your phone way more than you'd like—you're not alone. Today’s episode is a must-listen because I’m bringing in Shawn Lemon, a digital detox pro and founder of The Digital Organizer. Shawn’s approach is all about helping us set realistic, practical boundaries with our tech (and no, it doesn’t mean ditching our phones entirely).

I think you're going to love his refreshing take on finding balance with technology, especially if you're constantly switching between apps, managing three school portals, and navigating a mountain of messages every day. Shawn shares actionable strategies for cutting back on screen time and reclaiming those extra moments in our lives. You’ll even learn how a digital detox can be a lasting lifestyle shift, not just a quick fix.

Key Takeaways:

1. Get Clear on Your Why: Shawn emphasizes the importance of defining why you want to reduce screen time—whether it’s to connect more with loved ones, lower stress, or simply feel more present.
2. Set Clear Boundaries: Instead of just limiting app time, Shawn suggests deleting certain apps completely (yes, even email!) to help break the habit of compulsive checking.
3. Make Space for What Matters: A detox isn’t about removing tech entirely; it’s about being intentional with your time. Shawn’s tip to replace digital habits with hobbies or family time makes it easier to resist the urge to check in.
4. Practical Tips: From using app limits to rearranging your home screen and turning off notifications, Shawn offers tons of small, manageable changes that add up to big results.

Resources Mentioned:

• Quiz: How Organized Are You? – Take Shawn's quiz to assess your current digital organization habits.
• Digital Detox Guide: Download Shawn’s Step-by-Step Detox Checklist – This guide breaks down the tips from today’s episode: www.thedigitalorganizer.com/harmony

Connect with Shawn Lemon:
www.thedigitalorganizer.com
www.facebook.com/thedigitalorganizer
www.instagram.com/thedigitalorganizer
www.linkedin.com/company/the-digital-organizer

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FULL TRANSCRIPT:

[00:00:00] Megan: If you are struggling with feeling like you spend more time on your phone than you wish you did, I'm always trying to reduce my phone, my digital usage. You are definitely going to listen up here on today's episode. I have an expert in this space, who's going to be walking us through a really powerful process to help us Minimize phone usage. 

[00:00:21] Megan: All right, but in a realistic way, right? I mean, we need our technology. We rely on it. So I'm really excited for you to meet Sean here today and learn his definition of a digital detox so that you can get started on one right away. 

[00:00:40] Megan: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to work life harmony. It is always you guys know you're gonna want to listen up when I have a gentleman on the show because we don't usually have gentlemen guests here. But what Sean is we were just chatting and I realized I could probably talk with you all day long, Sean, about all things overwhelm coming from digital, right? 

[00:01:02] Megan: The Transcription by CastingWords The overwhelm that we get through our phones, through our digital devices, the 10, 000 apps, the messages, the three portals for school and the one portal for this. It's, it's exhausting. And Sean's area of expertise is how we start to harness and manage this. And today we're actually gonna be talking about something I'm excited about, which is how to actually do a digital detox without. 

[00:01:28] Megan: It being something where you never see your phone again, because that's just not the reality that most live in as well. So Sean, welcome to the show. Why don't you tell everyone a little bit about yourself and kind of what you do and who you serve?  

[00:01:40] Shawn: Yeah. Well, first off, it is an honor to be on the podcast. 

[00:01:44] Shawn: I'm so grateful. I know I'm only the third male that you've had on the show, so I'm very grateful for that. But yeah, my name is Sean Lemon and I'm the founder of the Digital Organizer. I worked for Apple for seven years teaching people how to use their Apple products. Buy this shiny new object and be so excited. 

[00:02:02] Shawn: And they would buy a membership to learn how to use their tech from somebody. And they would meet with someone like me, they called us creatives. And I saw that so many people were really overwhelmed with the digital stuff. And they, they would. Get it, get their data transferred on it and be totally overwhelmed by the mess. 

[00:02:21] Shawn: And so I started helping those individuals and now we help businesses Harness big messes because as teams are scaling and more people are added to the team Everyone's got their own organization system And they've got dropbox box and one drive and all of these things and they really need to create a streamlined cohesive system And we help with that and project management and password, password management systems for those businesses. 

[00:02:46] Shawn: But I'm also a dad of a two and a half year old and I run a business. And so I'm constantly using tech and I'm trying to be present. And and so because of that, and the detox is why I ended up talking with you today.  

[00:02:59] Megan: Love that. Thank you so much. I'm, I'm curious to know with your experience working for Apple, Did you see any common themes with all the people that came in that you got to support and help over kind of why people were overwhelmed or where, where they were getting hung up from all of this digital stuff? 

[00:03:19] Shawn: Yeah, it was that there was too much and they didn't know where to start  

[00:03:24] Megan: too much information or too many tools. Oh, all of the above,  

[00:03:29] Shawn: all of the above. So, when there are too many tools now, this was 2007 to 2014. So when it first began, the app store didn't exist. The iPhone would, I got hired for the iPhone launch. 

[00:03:41] Shawn: And so there wasn't even an app store. There were just some, a few web apps at that time. So we got to see it all kind of expand, but the more options, the harder things become, and isn't  

[00:03:53] Megan: it interesting that everybody thinks. More options is always better.  

[00:03:58] Shawn: Right. And, and they want the one app that'll do everything for them because we, we have this fascination and this is just driven by our, the nature of our brains to want to find out information and we want the best. 

[00:04:14] Shawn: And and so what, how can we optimize and how can we make things more efficient? So it's natural that we would want an easy fix because. Our brains are also wired our bodies to want sugar as well. Even though it's not really great for us, we may want AI. But really it's, it's about the system. So too many options was, was a big problem and then too much information. 

[00:04:36] Shawn: They transferred it all and they thought that they were getting a fresh start with a new computer. But when you transfer your information, it's like no matter where you go. There you are, there's your mess. It's coming right along with you.  

[00:04:48] Megan: It's almost like that beauty of, I grew up in a military family and we moved a lot. 

[00:04:52] Megan: And, you know, in my twenties, I moved almost every year, you know, changing apartments and all that. And there's a beauty in moving a lot because you you're forced to go through all your stuff. But with the ease of technology now, I mean, the latest, you know, MacBook I got. I was just kind of startled. I brought it home and turned it on and it was like, Hey, we'll just grab everything from the other computer and bring it right over for you without me even plug. 

[00:05:17] Megan: I mean, it was, it was astounding how easy it was, but I was kind of like, I kind of wish it wasn't because now I'm not being forced to go through and clean up my stuff. Like I did in the old days when, you know, you were literally like, do I want to copy this to this hard drive and then bring it over to this computer and put it over here? 

[00:05:35] Shawn: Yeah. Yeah. I kind of miss those days at the same time. I like it a little bit better for the users because while you and I could start over fresh and pull over everything in a real cohesive way, not everyone had the skills or really understood how to use that. And so that's what really got this business going. 

[00:05:55] Shawn: Cause I do this thing called a reboot. And so people would buy this new computer or their computer was messed up and I would install a new hard drive, a new SSD and pull over all of their stuff and help them organize and say, we need a fresh start.  

[00:06:08] Megan: Yeah. And so this is the  

[00:06:09] Shawn: fresh start that you were really looking for. 

[00:06:12] Shawn: And then I would kind of take them through that process. And then it was, it would completely transform their experience on the machine. Yeah.  

[00:06:19] Megan: A hundred percent. So I know that you have a lot of strategies around doing a digital detox. So what is your definition of a digital detox? Cause I think when most of us hear it, the first thing we think of when we hear the word detox is. 

[00:06:36] Megan: We're take, we're cutting it all out and we're not doing anything digital anymore.  

[00:06:40] Shawn: Right. Right. And that's not practical. Maybe on vacation, I went on vacation one year is 2021 and we had other people on that trip with us and we didn't bring our phones or any tech and it was the best vacation we've ever had. 

[00:06:55] Shawn: It was absolutely phenomenal. And then we came back and did a digital detox, which was really limited usage of the phone, but in the end it wasn't very practical. So, and even I was just  

[00:07:05] Megan: sharing with you, like just two days ago, we're recording her on a Wednesday. On Monday, I got a phone call from my daughter's school. 

[00:07:12] Megan: She'd been hurt. I had to go pick her up. Like, I can't just say, well, I'm just not using my phone anymore because we do need to have it for actual emergencies. So what does a digital detox look like the way you're talking about it?  

[00:07:24] Shawn: So to me, It is all about eliminating things that you compulsively check. 

[00:07:32] Shawn: It's the compulsivity of it. That's that, that is the part that is really driving these chemical reactions in our brain that make us want to keep checking and picking up that phone and causing anxiety. And it's just, you know, and not having that, we need to go back to get that hit of what was this next update or whatever it is, and that could be updates. 

[00:07:54] Shawn: For anything that might be your email that might be social media that might be your CRM. I don't know what that is for you, but if you find yourself. Trying to check something a lot. Those are the things that we really need to eliminate. And when it comes down to it, what are  

[00:08:13] Megan: some of the biggest, most common  

[00:08:18] Shawn: email, social, um, sometimes actually just having websites on so, you might have access to YouTube, so not, so YouTube might be part of that as well. 

[00:08:31] Shawn: And news. A lot of people are into news. And then I'd say those are probably the biggest ones is email, social, YouTube is, is that really social? I don't know, but YouTube is huge. Especially I'm  

[00:08:45] Megan: finding with the younger generation, like with my daughter, she has no desire to do anything on social media. 

[00:08:50] Megan: Doesn't want an account, doesn't want to do anything, but she loves. You know, and she has people she follows and things like that. I'm like, Oh, now I got like, now I'm trying to get my head around that. And how do we put some, you know, parameters in place for, for that, that kind of snuck up on us a little bit. 

[00:09:05] Shawn: I would say also shopping too.  

[00:09:08] Shawn: So shopping can be a big one. So Amazon, I actually don't have the Amazon app on my phone anymore either. Occasionally I might still want to buy something on my phone and I use, use Safari to get to it. But you know, all those shipping notifications and just some people, they just really love shopping and looking for deals and, and they think of something so that they get on and it feels important to try and find the best thing, Oh, now I need to figure out which one I need to get or what, where's the best price. 

[00:09:37] Shawn: And you can spend a lot of time just looking through things on your phone because I need this. And so we're trying to fill our lives with other things you know, instead of actually taking the action that, that we're avoiding.  

[00:09:50] Megan: Okay. So what, where can someone start if they're kind of going, Oh yeah, maybe I am checking my phone a lot. 

[00:10:00] Megan: What does putting a digital detox in place look like?  

[00:10:03] Shawn: So the first thing that I would want someone to do is figure out why do I want to do this? If you don't know what your why, let's see you lose your way when you lose your why. That's a good little phrase for that. If we don't know why we're doing this, then it's easy to just slide back in and we can make an excuse why we might need to put email back on our phone. 

[00:10:28] Shawn: So, first start with that. And then from there, I would decide what the duration is. And so how long you actually want to spend on it? How long are you going to do this? Okay. And, and then. On the second part of that, how long are, what's your period going to be afterward as you're kind of integrating and getting back in and deciding what you're going to do from here. 

[00:10:52] Shawn: And hopefully you don't add anything back. But we'll talk about that in just a sec. And then then lastly would be where, like, you're going to create some more space by doing this. What are you wanting to replace that time with? Do you want to be more present? With your family, do you want to create more space for your hobbies? 

[00:11:14] Shawn: Do you just want to feel. Less stressed. Do you find that you're not connecting with your loved one or your spouse because you're both kind of staring at your phones checked out at the end of the day? So what are those things that you want to fill that space that you've been filling on your phone? 

[00:11:31] Shawn: So, yeah, that's fine. You  

[00:11:33] Megan: brought that up. I went through this. Recently, as we were heading back to school, my, and I have, you know, I, my phone is set up where I do have app limits on like Instagram in particular, where I know Megan, if you've spent more than 30 minutes on there in a day, the app goes dark and it's like, you're out because my guilty pleasure is, you know. 

[00:11:53] Megan: Looking at Instagram reels and then sending them to my sisters, my sisters and I do, I was like, do I really want to spend more than 30 minutes a day on this app? And that's, so that was a number I came up with. And then I found myself, I used to do that was kind of what I do when I get to school early for pickup is be like, oh, well, you know, I got 10 minutes to kill. 

[00:12:12] Megan: Pull out my phone and the second day of school pickup. I got my notification that I'd hit my limit already. And there I was at school pickup and I was like, Hmm. And then I had to stop and say, well, what am I going to do instead?  

[00:12:27] Shawn: Yeah.  

[00:12:27] Megan: And. Thankfully, it's gotten me back to a lot more reading. So there's, I just keep my current book in my car so that when I get to school pickup now, this is my book time and I can windows if it's a nice day and pull out my book, but I had to sit there for a moment and be like, well, well then what do I do? 

[00:12:44] Megan: Like, I'm just sitting here in my car. I'm bored. What am I going to do? And so I think people are proactively deciding here's where I want to spend that time. That's going to be really helpful too.  

[00:12:54] Shawn: Right, and so that's yeah, it's just a perfect example of figuring out what you're going to replace that time with Because in the moment when you're feeling that craving then if you don't have something else that you can pick up that you're replacing that time with then The excuses come in and the willpower is drained and we only have so much willpower a day. 

[00:13:16] Shawn: You have the most at the beginning and then the further that day goes along, the more decisions that you make, it's gone and then you slip right back in. So yeah, creating all those spaces. So what are you going to do or what are you going to replace it with? How long and why are you doing this? And so that's kind of just that, that the pre work and then there's the actual technical side as well that we can get into. 

[00:13:39] Megan: Now, do you have, you know, I mentioned I set up app limits. What other ideas, tips do you have for how to get our phones to support us in kind of detoxing a little bit?  

[00:13:52] Shawn: Yeah. So, I think that the app limits are something that. I haven't seen work very often unless I've got someone really disciplined. 

[00:14:01] Megan: Okay.  

[00:14:01] Shawn: So if you're really disciplined and you'll follow it, then that's great. I'm pretty disciplined and I had a hard time with app limits and they didn't work for me because it's I hope you're not offended by this, but 99 percent a bitch, 100 percent a breeze. Like if there's, if you're letting the door open, then then it's just really easy to slide back into it. 

[00:14:23] Shawn: I mean, all you have to do is  

[00:14:24] Megan: just tap a button and say, ignore limit today and you're back in. So  

[00:14:27] Shawn: ignore it. Right. And so really what we want to do is just say, I'm a hundred percent going to do this for a certain amount of time. And when you commit 100 percent that I'm just not going to do this. And especially if you know that there's a time limit to it, then. 

[00:14:43] Shawn: All of a sudden it is so much easier to resist. I challenge you to do this and, and prove, prove me right. Because I found it with diets when we were having to make some massive health changes and we had to do some, some serious dietary changes that were hard when it was 100%. That was the key if we didn't have that there's no way we would have been able to To spend that six month duration doing that and we wouldn't gotten the results for my wife that she really needed To get her, you know crowns under control. 

[00:15:16] Shawn: So there's a So when you're saying a hundred  

[00:15:19] Megan: percent, are you saying go like cold turkey on those apps altogether? Just delete them off your phone?  

[00:15:25] Shawn: It's saying, let's delete email off of your phone. Like let's delete the email app off your phone and you're not going to turn it back on until you finish that duration. 

[00:15:36] Shawn: And hopefully you'll decide that you won't need it. And we're going to delete Instagram off the phone and we're going to get rid of a lot of these things. Cause if you have a serious addiction to it and you're in a, and it's, it's. Something that you've tried over and over again and failed with. We need to eliminate it because if you have just that little taste, it comes right back. 

[00:15:58] Shawn: Now, it doesn't mean that you can't have Instagram at all. It just means that you need to realize that you're having a really hard time with this right now in your life. And it needs to be eliminated from certain aspects because. It's taking over control. And if you feel that that's, you know, that that's worth taking off and changing for you, then you can decide to do that. 

[00:16:18] Shawn: But this is the idea of eliminating. I got rid of all the social media. I got rid of YouTube. I made the decision. I wasn't going to watch YouTube videos on my phone. And I've been really good about that. And an email is no longer on and that one's really hard for me. That's my car. You know, it's going back and looking at email. 

[00:16:38] Shawn: It's really hard for me. But because of that, it's been really easy to to stop compulsively checking my phone.  

[00:16:48] Megan: Yeah. And I bet for like, I mean, that is a perfect example of everybody's so different. Like my email app gets one of the least usages of apps on my phone. Because I know I don't, I'm old. So working from my phone is hard for me. 

[00:17:03] Megan: So I'm like, I just don't want to check email on my phone. I want to be at my computer where I can actually do my email processing system and all of that. But there are certainly. You know, other apps that suck me in for sure. One thing I tried, and I'd be curious to get your feedback on this is I ended up, so I have an iPad that I don't use that often and, but I love to play my logic puzzles on it. 

[00:17:28] Megan: And so I decided that all of the puzzle things I like to do, I deleted them all off my phone and they're only allowed to be. On my iPad. Right. And my iPad stays in a drawer all day. And in the evening I sit down and do a puzzle. And that's like, but there's no email on my, I like, it's truly like a here's your, here's your fun puzzle time. 

[00:17:48] Megan: And kind of tried to separate my phone from my iPad that way. 'cause the iPad, you know, lives in another room. In the house, it's in a drawer. It's not lying around. I don't, I don't pick it up and use it very often. Yeah. And I feel like that's helped me not to have. You know, things on my phone that might be calling me like, well, let's just do another puzzle while we're, you know, you've got 10 minutes, that kind of thing. 

[00:18:07] Megan: It's not easily accessible for me to do that as well.  

[00:18:10] Shawn: Totally. Yep. And then that just comes right back to what do you want to fill the space with instead?  

[00:18:18] Megan: Is  

[00:18:18] Shawn: it being present with, with your child? Is it being able to sit in peace and quiet? Do you actually want to have a health app that's, or like a meditation app or a breath work app that instead you actually do a 10 minute meditation, or you do a 10 minute breath work or something that makes you feel better and more centered and grateful. 

[00:18:38] Shawn: I mean, there's so many other things that we could fill that time with spending some time on the front end to figure out what we're going to replace it with. Is so helpful and in dietary terms, like they usually call that crowding it out. So if you want to stop eating. certain foods, instead of eliminating them from your diet, you crowd them out by doing these other things, replacing  

[00:19:00] Megan: them with something else,  

[00:19:01] Shawn: replacing them with something else. 

[00:19:03] Shawn: And so you start with all of these other things first, and, and then you naturally don't need the other things as much. Well, our phones, though, are highly addictive, like super, super addictive. It's, I feel like it's almost an uncontrolled substance at this point, because they've figured out how to hack our attention and our focus as most people are experiencing. 

[00:19:25] Shawn: So it's it's one of those things that I really want to be a lot more careful with and sometimes just eliminate it, like I was saying. Yeah,  

[00:19:32] Megan: that's, it's interesting. You're making me rethink some, some of the apps I have on there that while I honor my app limits, I'm kind of like, do I even need that at all? 

[00:19:40] Megan: Maybe I just remove it.  

[00:19:42] Shawn: Yeah. Do you want to hear what I did?  

[00:19:44] Megan: Yeah.  

[00:19:45] Shawn: So, because I'm really organized, my business is The Digital Organizer, I was able to just erase my phone and just hit, I got so mad because I was compulsively checking my phone on Sunday morning when my family's like all having breakfast and I'm standing in the kitchen swiping. 

[00:20:03] Shawn: I just got so mad. I just hit reset, erase all content settings. I'm like, how did I get back to this place? And And so I erased it. And then what I did is I just added apps back one by one as I needed them.  

[00:20:15] Megan: You actually felt you needed them. Yeah,  

[00:20:17] Shawn: exactly. And so like, even I was really debating over the Chipotle app. 

[00:20:21] Shawn: I'm like, do I really need the Chipotle app on my phone? Everything was being questioned of like, do I need this? And it's like, okay, it's really nice. It's very convenient and I'm not compulsively checking it. I'm going to add that. So I've added utilities onto my phone now. And I've got audible and some other things and, you know, I love listening to books and so I listened to a lot of books that that's on there and my Spotify and things like that. 

[00:20:46] Shawn: But yeah, it's, it's slowly adding those things back in. Now you could do, but the listener could. Kind of go the opposite direction and start just massively deleting things. So if you've never done something like this before, you might want to open it up and see, is there anything really important in here that might need to be saved? 

[00:21:06] Shawn: Email doesn't, your project management doesn't, all of that stuff. They're saved online. So you don't have to worry about those, those sorts of things. But if you've got, I had a pottery app so I make pottery and you take pictures and everything. So I had to back up the data from that app and then restore that one later since I went through and erased my whole phone. 

[00:21:25] Shawn: So, it'd be probably, I still think it's easier to erase your phone if you can and then just start fresh.  

[00:21:32] Megan: And say no to  

[00:21:33] Shawn: notifications.  

[00:21:34] Megan: Yeah, I'd say that. I always tell everyone, like, turn them all off. All, no push notifications, no sounds, no visuals, no banners. Like, literally nothing. Because we can program our phones to notify us if we deem it as an emergency situation. 

[00:21:51] Megan: So like, you know, when the school called on Monday, my phone actually made a noise. It never makes a noise. It startled me. I'm like, there is an emergency. My phone is telling me there's an emergency because otherwise it just doesn't, it doesn't make noises. It's interesting. One thing I, I've done, but I think I'm going to go one step further and delete is I'm very strategic in what apps are allowed to be on my, on my phone. 

[00:22:12] Megan: Home screen and my second screen. And so I move the things I'm tempted to off of my home screen. So that if I am picking up my phone to grab the calculator or something, I don't see Instagram going, Hey, like, come on in, like, we're right here. And, but I've got other pages of the, well, I might need it. 

[00:22:32] Megan: And I'm like, Megan, treat this like I would my email. If I haven't looked at it in a year, just delete the thing. Like,  

[00:22:37] Shawn: right. There's no  

[00:22:39] Megan: point in even having it on  

[00:22:40] Shawn: there. So what I've done is, I have my home screen, and then when I swipe to the next screen, it goes to just the app list. So every time I download a new app, I hit, I hold it down, my finger down on it, and I hit delete app or remove. 

[00:22:57] Shawn: And then it says, do you want to delete the app and all of its settings? Or do you want to remove it from the home screen? And I remove it from the home screen, so it's only my most used utilities. And And then I could search for it or swipe over and scroll down and find the app that I'm looking for. But that way it's just one extra level of intentionality that I'm not seeing everything. 

[00:23:19] Megan: Oh, I'm going to give that a try. I really like that.  

[00:23:23] Shawn: Yeah. So it's just  

[00:23:24] Megan: like, like you mentioned the restaurant apps, like we have great rewards at certain places. So I just have them at, like, I want to keep them there. I'm not drawn into them. They're not tempting, but they could just be in a list. I don't need them like as an icon on a screen somewhere. 

[00:23:37] Megan: Totally.  

[00:23:37] Shawn: Yeah, you want to make a reservation, you know, you open up resi or whatever and  

[00:23:41] Megan: right  

[00:23:42] Shawn: and you can just search you just swipe down on the home screen and then the search bar comes up and you start typing an open table at resi. Oh my gosh,  

[00:23:50] Megan: this is, this is fantastic. I'm going to challenge everybody who's listening to, you know, think about what apps do you want to delete? 

[00:24:00] Megan: And especially if you've tried setting app limits and you find yourself not honoring them, then maybe the solution is just to go in and delete it. Now, have you ever deleted one and then reintroduced it to see if it still is  

[00:24:14] Shawn: I have in the past and then I ended up in the place that I was back in my kitchen manically swiping and like wondering what I'm doing. And then I ended up erasing it again. So it's one of those things that if it ends up coming back, like it's got it, you know, I realize it and it's got to go. But it's, let's see, I'm trying to think of any of them that I added back. 

[00:24:38] Shawn: Nothing that's compulsive.  

[00:24:40] Megan: Yeah.  

[00:24:40] Shawn: It's hard enough just having Safari and so, on there and, and so I close out of all the tabs when I'm done, you know, those, those sorts of things and really try and keep it as limited as possible. I've been really tempted to do email again, because if I'm on the run or something, and it's just, but I asked myself, is it so important that I can't check this in two hours? 

[00:25:06] Megan: Exactly.  

[00:25:07] Shawn: No, it's not. And, you know, and checking email at 10, 1, and 4. 30 is the goal. And somehow I, I slipped back into it and it was because it was on my phone. I took it off for a long time and then it was back and somehow I ended up back in that place again. Just kind of a slow, slow thing. If anyone's quit smoking or drinking, it can be a really similar thing. 

[00:25:28] Shawn: It's, it's, it's total elimination. And then maybe much later on down the road when you're in. different place, you might be able to, you know, introduce drinks, but some people, they just choose never to do it again. So I think it's if you're having a hard time, I think wait for longer than you think. 

[00:25:46] Shawn: And then you know the solution if you want to get back out of it.  

[00:25:50] Megan: Yeah. Oh my goodness. Thank you so much, Sean. You've definitely given me a lot to think about on some ways that I can definitely reduce my phone usage as well. That's always kind of a goal I have every week is like, can I, can I get a lower percentage of screen time from? 

[00:26:05] Megan: Yes. The week before and so I, I'm, I'm going to be playing with some of my phone settings tonight and getting rid of some more apps out there. So thank you for that.  

[00:26:15] Shawn: Absolutely. Now,  

[00:26:16] Megan: where can people find out more information, especially for any of our listeners that do, you know, run a business or even work at a company where, you know, they might be able to benefit from your services? 

[00:26:25] Shawn: Yeah. So the digital organizer. com really easy to get to. And I've got a quiz. It's how organized are you? So that'll really talk about the effectiveness of your current organization systems. And you know, can everyone find what they're looking for and things like that, that can have you help you Really figure out your starting place. 

[00:26:43] Shawn: So the digital organizer. com. And then if you want to know more about the detox process and kind of have a list checklist to go through I'm going to have a guide for you by the time this releases That is what we talked about today and kind of the logic and the steps and some of the things that you might want to consider and so you can go and download that guide. 

[00:27:03] Shawn: It'll be pretty nice and easy for you to access So that'll be at the digital organizer. com slash harmony  

[00:27:09] Megan: Harmony. Oh, wonderful. All right. We'll put that in the show notes as well, everybody. So def I will be grabbing that. And I, now I'm going to have to be disciplined when we hang up here to not jump in and start messing with my phone and changing the settings and honoring what I have on my plan. 

[00:27:23] Megan: But I will be reporting back to all our listeners on what I have implemented and how it has decreased my, my tech time. So thank you for this so very much.